Determinism Broken
Broken determinism causes non-reproducible training runs, making debugging and comparison difficult.
Broken determinism causes non-reproducible training runs, making debugging and comparison difficult.
- Root cause
- CUDA non-deterministic operations. DataLoader with multiple workers. Distributed training with all-reduce.
- Recommended fix
- Set torch.use_deterministic_algorithms(True)
- How Denpex helps
- Denpex investigates Determinism Broken using the evidence you provide or your connected workload collects. Earlier rank, host or application evidence is needed to distinguish an initiating failure from a downstream report.
What this failure is
Determinism Broken is a Data Pipeline failure seen during ML training runs. Broken determinism causes non-reproducible training runs, making debugging and comparison difficult. Common tags: Determinism, Reproducibility, Seed, Data Pipeline.
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Why it happens (the mechanism)
CUDA non-deterministic operations. DataLoader with multiple workers. Distributed training with all-reduce. Random operations not seeded. Some ops have no deterministic implementation. Taken together, these mechanisms explain why the failure is reproducible, why it tends to surface on specific workloads or scales, and why generic mitigation attempts often fall short without addressing the underlying cause.
What you'll observe
- Same code gives different results
- Cannot reproduce training run
- Random seed doesn't fix results
Common symptoms and what they mean
| Symptom | Why it happens |
|---|---|
| Different loss curves on same data | CUDA non-deterministic operations |
| Different model accuracy on same training | DataLoader with multiple workers |
| Distributed training non-deterministic | Distributed training with all-reduce |
Which systems are affected
- Debugging training issues
- Hyperparameter search
- Production model retraining
How to confirm this is the problem
Use this checklist to test the hypothesis against a small reproduction. No single line proves the root cause, so preserve the preceding events and compare one variable at a time.
- ✓Reproduce the failure from a clean checkpoint/seed: the symptom must appear without warm-up state from a previous run.
- ✓Verified signal present: Different loss curves on same data
- ✓Verified signal present: Different model accuracy on same training
- ✓Verified signal present: Distributed training non-deterministic
- ✓A targeted fix from the "How to fix it" section eliminates or substantially reduces the symptom within one validation pass.
Root cause
- CUDA non-deterministic operations
- DataLoader with multiple workers
- Distributed training with all-reduce
- Random operations not seeded
- Some ops have no deterministic implementation
The fix and how to prevent it
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